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Mercedes 722.6: Cold Stall/ TCC Shudder, Part 2

In last month’s article, technicians found that centrifugal force acting on oil trapped between the TCC piston and cover in the 722.6 converters was applying the clutch on cold start up. They also learned that the cold stall issue could be eliminated by forcing the oil out of the cavity between the piston and cover. Finding the root cause of the cold stall issue – and the subsequent fix – solved many other customer complaints and symptoms, including downshift shudders and tugging sensations.

Several other customer complaints and symptoms also are related to the same problem of oil becoming trapped between the piston and the cover. Brendan Patten at Jasper Engines & Transmissions in Willow Springs, Mo., was seeking the cause of complaints involving several Sprinter vans. Symptoms varied from flares on upshifts to vibrations around 15 MPH (especially noticeable on slow U-turns) and to shrieking noises coming from the transmission pan.

The noises proved to be caused by restricted filters, and were eliminated when the filters were replaced.

The upshift flares were monitored on a scan tool, revealing that the TCC slip was increasing as much as 500 RPM on each shift. The TCC solenoid was then checked to determine whether it was being turned off or modulated during the shifts. The Solenoid remained on during all of the shift cycles. These diagnostics ultimately pointed to the integrity of the TCC apply circuit or to the converter itself.

When the converter was inspected, excessive wear was found on the TCC frictions. The clutches did not visibly show the wear, but on the frictions it measured as much as .040” per clutch. (Figure 1)

This created extra clearance that allowed the TCC piston to come into contact with the clutch hub, reducing TCC clamping force. (Figure 2) The vibrations caused by the TCC dragging at low speeds also contributed to excessive clutch wear. This wear was allowing TCC slip, felt in this case as flares on the upshifts. The material that was worn from the TCC frictions was responsible for restricting the transmission filters.

In short, all three Sprinter issues ultimately lead to the same TCC concerns.

Although many of the mysteries surrounding the 722.6 converters were being cleared up, a few questions remained. The main one was: If the oil trapped between the piston and cover was causing the cold stall issue, why did installing different clutches seem to solve the problem in some units?

It helps to understand what’s going on if we compare what’s happening with the TCC apply piston to what happens to a disc brake system with a defective or out-of-adjustment wheel bearing. When a disc brake is working properly, there is a minimal amount of clearance between the brake pad in its released position and the brake rotor. In this position, the brake is ready for immediate apply. If the bearings which the rotor rides on become damaged, worn or out-of-adjustment, however, the rotor will not run true. Any wobble of the rotor creates extra clearance between the rotor and brake pad as the pad and corresponding piston are forced away from the rotor. This extra clearance will cause the brake pedal to travel further and possibly need to be pumped to complete the brake apply.

There is a vast difference in the thickness uniformity and parallelism of friction plates. A friction plate with good thickness uniformity and parallelism will be more likely to have a cold stall issue if all other parameters are equal (no wobble effect). A friction plate that does not have good thickness uniformity and/or parallelism will have the same effect on the TCC apply piston as rotor on the disc brake piston.

Special thanks to Wayne Russell, Russell Auto, Manchester, N.H.; Rick Morris, Professional Transmission, Marcy, N.Y.; Brendan Patten, Jasper Engines & Transmissions, Willow Springs, MO; Milt Zemanek, A-1 Transmissions, Salem, OR, and Bob Warnke as well as Maura Stafford from Sonnax for helping to resolve this critical issue.

 

Ed Lee
©2010 Sonnax

– Found  in September 2010 Newsletter

Mercedes 722.6: Cold Stall/TCC Shudder Part 1


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For several years, technicians have been trying to solve the mysterious cold stall issue in vehicles equipped with Mercedes 722.6 transmissions. When the problem was first identified, it was thought to be associated with aftermarket components. At that time, no one had seen the problem in a vehicle that still had only original equipment. For that reason, most early efforts to solve this cold stall problem were focused on the replacement friction material that was used in the rebuild process. Every conceivable kind of friction material with both smooth and grooved surfaces was tried, and most had some limited successes. Rebuilders would use the friction material that seemed to work the best for them, but no material proved to be fool proof.

As things turned out, the aftermarket was not alone in the struggle. The OEM friction material choice evolved during this same period, and even for them, nothing proved 100% successful. When technicians started seeing vehicles with nothing but original equipment experiencing the same cold stall condition, they turned their focus toward wear issues.

Technicians began to identify worn seals, worn bores, and cross leak issues. The first seals to come under scrutiny were the TCC piston seals. The OEM seals were loose fitting and the aftermarket responded with snugger, better fitting seals. Many of the early shudder issues were fixed by just replacing these seals, but some issues still remained. These unresolved issues made technicians look further into the TCC apply circuit. The Mercedes 722.6 converter uses a clutch pack to provide TCC clamping force and a three (3) path converter oil circuit. One path is for converter charge oil to enter the converter and another is for lube oil to exit the converter. The third circuit is used to provide TCC apply oil pressure during lockup or to allow apply circuit oil pressure to exhaust when the TCC is released. The apply oil travels through the input shaft and exits between the smaller and larger diameters of the smooth areas at the end of the shaft (Figure 1).

The oil that exits the shaft travels into the aluminum tower that is part of the cover. The I.D. seal of the TCC piston seals on the O.D. of this tower. The smaller and larger diameters of the input shaft use different methods of sealing between the shaft and the mating surfaces of the cover tower. The smaller diameter uses an O-ring or lathe cut seal, while the larger diameter relies on an interference fit. The cover tower rotates at engine RPM. The input shaft RPM can range from zero at a standstill to the same as engine RPM during full lockup. The potential RPM difference between these mating parts makes you wonder why either the O-ring/lathe cut seal or the interference fit options were chosen for this application in the first place. A radial lip seal would seem to have been a much better choice. Despite the possible poor choice of seals, many technicians have reported successfully fixing both cold stall and TCC shudder problems by restoring the integrity of these seals. The leak visible in Figure 2 was a result of bore wear at the interference fit of the tower.

One mating surface is the larger diameter of the input shaft and it measured .660”. The other mating surface, the cover tower bore diameter, measured .683”. The bore diameter of a good OEM tower measures .662”. The difference between the .002” factory intended clearance and the .021” clearance of the worn bore pictured here resulted in a 7.5 gallon per minute (GPM) leak, not to mention both cold stall and TCC shudder issues. This issue was resolved by removing the O-ring/lathe cut seal, blocking the lube bypass passage, and installing a radial lip seal (Figure 3).

Continuing downstream in the TCC apply circuit, the next area for a possible leak or cross leak is the turbine (input) shaft seal-ing rings. Art Landeck from Consumer Transmission in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., reports fixing the cold stall conditions in two different vehicles by replacing the early model, dark gray scarf cut turbine shaft rings with the late model, tan interlock rings. The first vehicle was an ML430 that came to Art’s shop with a gear-train issue. After the repair was completed, the vehicle would stall the engine on cold start-up in either forward or reverse. After replacing several valve bodies and solenoids, the problem was unchanged. Art pulled the unit and replaced the stator support and installed the late model turbine shaft rings. This solved the problem. The second vehicle was an E320 AWD with 70,000 miles on the odometer. This vehicle’s only complaint was a cold stall. To verify the fix of the first vehicle, Art only replaced the turbine shaft sealing rings with the late model rings.

If you follow the TCC apply circuit all the way to the valve body, you will find several valves that have a potential to leak or cross leak: the main pressure regulator valve, the TCC damper valve, and the TCC control valve (Mercedes calls this valve the torque converter lockup clutch control valve.) All three of these valves deserve close scrutiny. ATSG’s Wayne Colona recently wrote an article about how bore wear at the lubrication pressure regulator valve will cause higher than normal charge pressure (722.6/ NAG 1, Transmission Digest January 2010). Now you can add a fourth valve to your inspection routine.

Searching for the Root Cause

Wayne Russell of Russell Auto Inc. in Manchester, N.H., had a rare opportunity to find the root cause of the cold stall problem. Wayne’s situation was unique for three reasons:

  1. The 2004 C230 was an untouched, low mileage (68,509 miles) vehicle with only a cold stall complaint.
  2. Wayne was able to successively try every available fix that was known at this time (sequence to follow).
  3. Wayne had a tolerant, accommodating customer (which can be rare in this industry).

When the C230 arrived at Wayne’s shop, the first change that was made was to replace the lockup solenoid. The second change was to install the first of two rebuilt valve bodies he would eventually try. On the third day the unit was pulled for the first time. The stator support was inspected and found to be in perfect condition, the turbine shaft sealing rings were replaced with the newest version, and the torque converter was replaced with a special unit built by Rick Morris at Professional Converters in Marcy, N.Y. The converter had the latest clutches, and a radial lip seal was added where the input shaft is inserted into the cover tower (zero leakage).

On the fourth day the TCC control valve was blocked in the TCC release position. The next change was to bypass the cooler lines and cooler. Special fittings were made and the cooler lines were looped so the fluid flowed out of one cooler fitting and back into the other.

Up to this point there had been no change to the cold stall condition. Wayne wanted a test to verify if cross leak oil was applying the TCC piston. With Bob Warnke’s help, Wayne tapped into the exhaust passage at the TCC control valve and routed a hose from that passage to the outside of the transmission case. With the valve in the release position, this circuit is directly connected to the TCC apply oil circuit (Figure 4).

A steady stream of fluid would prove that the TCC piston was being hydraulically applied by cross leak oil. No steady stream of oil flowed out of the hose, so the test did not prove what was expected, but one very important piece of information was learned. As fate would have it, the clear plastic hose that exited the transmission was run vertically upwards. This made the hose act like a stand pipe and, when the engine was started, the fluid rose about one foot up the tube and stayed at that position. This information proved to be critical.

To understand this problem you need to remember two characteristics about the 722.6 TCC design. In a typical single TCC piston setup, oil behind the piston holds the piston off the cover when it is in TCC release. In the 722.6 clutch pack system, apply oil is routed between the cover and the piston on its way to applying the clutch. So first, remember that oil behind the piston, in this case, is for TCC apply. Second, remember that there is no dedicated release oil pressure sent in to keep the clutch from drag-ging. Release is accomplished by exhausting the apply circuit, allowing TCC charge oil pressure to move the piston to the release position, squeezing the apply oil out of the cavity between the piston and the cover.

The oil rise in the exhaust circuit tube showed that there was a pressure rise in the TCC apply circuit when the engine was started. More specifically, it showed that there was residual oil trapped behind the piston and, when the engine was started, centrifugal force was causing the piston to apply (as well as pushing oil further up the tube.) If there was no residual oil trapped behind the piston, the problem would not exist. Lacking any viable check ball or hydraulic option to purge the residual oil, a mechanical option was tried. The middle steel plate in the clutch pack was modified by notching 10 of the 20 O.D. lugs to allow for spring clearance (Figure 5). Ten springs were then added to serve as piston return springs (Figure 6) and Taa—Daaaaaa.

THE VEHICLE WORKED PERFECTLY!

This repair has since been done on other 722.6 converters and most customers have reported that their vehicles have never worked as well. All of the tugging, dragging feeling that was accepted as normal was gone. Even the chugging on down shift was no longer felt.

What was learned?

  1. Friction material does not play as big a part in cold stall problems as originally thought.
  2. Circuit integrity is much more important than originally thought because leaks and cross leaks allow more residual oil to remain behind the piston.
  3. Too much time and effort has been wasted by focusing on the clutch pack side of the TCC piston. One can only imagine how much more time and effort could have been spent if Wayne Russell had not tried his simple test.

Ed Lee
©2010 Sonnax

– Found in August 2010 Newsletter

Chrysler Crossfire is called to the front line

Daimler Chrysler ’s release of the new Crossfire has proven to be quite a success. Equipped with a Daimler Chrysler built transmission, shifting and driveability is a joy; howev er, there appears to be a few shortcomings with its new converter.

Numerous repairs and complaints are noted due to water contamination from the defective transmission cooler. At the time this article was written, it appears there is no official recall surrounding this complaint.

The converter is of a high-quality designed component, although some improvements are needed with the roller bearings. Failure seems to occur more than would be expected, possibly again due to water contamination. Replacement bearings are not yet available, and the rebuilder may have to be a bit creative with using other types of bearings. The typical 604 bearing, which is commonly used, may be a good substitute.

In addition, the clutch plate s seem to wear prematurely, which leads to replacement being a must. After only 40 to 50 thousand miles, inspection indicates most units show signs of needing replacement due to excessive w ear. Expecting to see the clutch plate last the life of the vehicle is not realistic. Clutch plates and seals are available from your local parts distributor.

Rebuilding this converter is quite simple. Overlap is generous, and replacing needed clutches and seals is simple enough for the unseasoned rebuilder. Be sure to disassemble the complete sprag assembly. It is a collection point for unwanted debris. On a few disassembled converters, the internal sprag race was bound tight and required gentle persuasion to remove it.

As a final thought, any torque converter that is contaminated with water and antifreeze, clutch plates and seals must be replaced, even if the condition looks good.

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